BerhaneSelassie: honestly, do you seriously think you know more about catholicism than me?
Protestant Antinomian: 1 Cor 11:23-26
BerhaneSelassie: 1215 is only when the doctrine was define
BerhaneSelassie: it was believed prior
BerhaneSelassie: furthermore, there were different theories on the real presence
Protestant Antinomian: I know more about the GRACE of GOD than you or any catholic who has ever lived
BerhaneSelassie: transubstiation was the accepted model
BerhaneSelassie: because you are an ANTINOMIAN
Protestant Antinomian: I want you to KNOW the Love of God he has for you too
Protestant Antinomian: when Christ spoke of His body and blood, where was he standing?
BerhaneSelassie: Jesus said "this is my body"
BerhaneSelassie: Jesus "eat"
BerhaneSelassie: "eat my flesh, drink my blood"
Protestant Antinomian: Yes....But when Christ spoke of His body and blood, where was he standing?
Protestant Antinomian: simple question
BerhaneSelassie: he was NOT
BerhaneSelassie: he was sitting
BerhaneSelassie: he was providing himself as the passover lamb
Protestant Antinomian: He was standing in His physical body at this time, therefore, He could not have been offering His physical body and blood as the elements!
Protestant Antinomian: lol
Protestant Antinomian: THINK
BerhaneSelassie: who said his PHYSICAL body and blood?
Protestant Antinomian: Because His Body was Holding the Bread and the Cup....Not in it ....They simply Represented "Showed" or Displayed the BODY That He WOULD GIVE on the Cross ....It was to REMEMBER The PAYMENT & Suffering which JESUS ONE Time Sacrifice on the Cross means.
BerhaneSelassie: do you even know what transubstiation MEANS?
BerhaneSelassie: it was not a simply "representation"
BerhaneSelassie: which a thing is garage when looking at the expressions in the bible
Protestant Antinomian: The RCC says that Jesus actually Body & blood cells become the host
BerhaneSelassie: furthermore, 1 Corinthians 10 refers to it as a SACRIFICE
BerhaneSelassie: first: shows what you DONT know
Protestant Antinomian: Berhane.....Don't be deceived
BerhaneSelassie: you have no idea what trans SUBSTANCE iation is
BerhaneSelassie: yet you proudly pretend to beat it over my head
Protestant Antinomian: Why not escape the demonic pull of the RCC and receive the FREE GIFT of GOD today?
BerhaneSelassie: if you bothered to do a minute of research you would see what substance and accidents is
Protestant Antinomian: SSALVATION from Hell is a FREE GIFT and you can KNOW you HAVE IT NOW!
BerhaneSelassie: rather than pretend to
Protestant Antinomian: That is the GOOD NEWS!
Protestant Antinomian: Don't you want to KNOW your Sins have been Forgiven you by God in Heaven?
BerhaneSelassie: "know" i dont care or you so called knowledge
Protestant Antinomian: John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
BerhaneSelassie: what is your point?
Protestant Antinomian: John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that BELIEVETH ON ME HATH EVERLASTING LIFE"
Protestant Antinomian: The Point is that you don't KNOW
BerhaneSelassie: I 'know' more than you on this matter
Protestant Antinomian: Your lost and need to change your mind and Trust JESUS ALone as your Savior and receive His FREE GIFT before it is too late
BerhaneSelassie: you have false knowledge
Protestant Antinomian: You don't KNOW
Protestant Antinomian: You have NO Idea if you are going to Heaven or Hell
BerhaneSelassie: antinomianism is evil
BerhaneSelassie: you are not saved
BerhaneSelassie: you have no eternal life
BerhaneSelassie: you have false assurance
Protestant Antinomian: John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify >>OF ME.<<!
BerhaneSelassie: I know exactly where I am headed
BerhaneSelassie: You have deceived yourself into perfect assurance based on your faith at one second
Protestant Antinomian: If JESUS Says I HAVE ETERNAL LIFE then why do you not Believe him? ...Can Jesus lie?
BerhaneSelassie: ignoring the fact God judges wicked deads
BerhaneSelassie: and sends people to hell for them
BerhaneSelassie: you realize BELIEF in the bible does not solely refer to the mental act
BerhaneSelassie: it implies obedience too
Protestant Antinomian: Where are you headed Berhane? A purgatory that says the sins where not really all paid for in full by Jesus One Timedeath & Shed Blood?
Protestant Antinomian: John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and BELIEVETH ON HIM that sent me, HATH EVERLASTING LIFE, AND SHALL NOT COME INTO CONDEMNATION; BUT IS PASSED FROM DEATH UNTO LIFE.
BerhaneSelassie: Leave purgatory out of this--you know little on this subject either
BerhaneSelassie: I like how you prefer to ignore John 5 on "good deeds" and "evil deeds"
Protestant Antinomian: What are the 3 Eternal Promises that Jesus gives to the Believer in John 5:24 the instant they Believe in Him?
BerhaneSelassie: and will come out, those who have done good deeds to the resurrection of life, but those who have done wicked deeds to the resurrection of condemnation.
BerhaneSelassie: dont igore the rest
Protestant Antinomian: The ONLY GOOD you can DO is to TRUST JESUS Payment for your sins
BerhaneSelassie: DO BAD--you go to hell
BerhaneSelassie: no antinomian gospel at all
Protestant Antinomian: The Evil you do is to Reject it
BerhaneSelassie: notice its PLURAL
BerhaneSelassie: you believe i can accept it then reject and still go to heaven
Protestant Antinomian: Those in the Graves who rejected Jesus payment for ALL their sins are the Evil ....Those who accepted it by faith without works are the Good
Protestant Antinomian: understand?
BerhaneSelassie: so i can "do wicked deeds to the ressurection of life"
Protestant Antinomian: You have NOthing to Offer God for Salvation
Protestant Antinomian: ALL your deeds are wicked in God's sight until After you trust Jesus alone as your savior
Protestant Antinomian: THEN & ONLY Then can you do GOOD in His Sight because it is GOD IN YOU Doing the Work
BerhaneSelassie: "done WICKED deedS to the resurrection of condemnation"
Protestant Antinomian: Do you understand what I just said?
BerhaneSelassie: you can still do wicked deeds
BerhaneSelassie: tht does not stop
BerhaneSelassie: Yet you know very well you can still do WICKED
BerhaneSelassie: yet you pretend doing wicked deeds does not give you condemnation
Protestant Antinomian: Notice it says those who have done GOOD?
BerhaneSelassie: Notice how I am addressing "done BAD"?
Protestant Antinomian: Is it GOOD or Bad for a Mormon who is MORAL as can be to die having Never Trusted Jesus Christ alone as their Savior?
BerhaneSelassie: IF you EVER do a bad deed and never repent--you get condemned
Protestant Antinomian: Have they Done GOOD in Gods sight as a Mormon to have Never Trusted Jesus as their Savior....Yes or No?
BerhaneSelassie: Mormons lack faith completely
BerhaneSelassie: they are irrelevant
BerhaneSelassie: they are not even monotheists
BerhaneSelassie: JOhn 5 shows you need BOTH FAITH and WORKS
Protestant Antinomian: Mormons lack faith how?
BerhaneSelassie: they deny there is ONE GOD
Protestant Antinomian: Do Mormons do GOOD Deeds?
Protestant Antinomian: Do they Believe in Jesus?
BerhaneSelassie: Mormon deeds dont matter--they are done outside of faith
Protestant Antinomian: ahh
Protestant Antinomian: So What is their Faith in Jesus?
BerhaneSelassie: the Mormon jezuz is screwed up beyond recognition
Protestant Antinomian: So God sees their Faith in the Person of Jesus?
Protestant Antinomian: Ok....And the RCC jesus is Much different?
BerhaneSelassie: the Catholic Jesus is not a demigod, or a second god, or the product of god sex
Protestant Antinomian: Must he Mormon Jesus Believe that Jesus Died and paid the Penalty for ALL their sins past present and future on the cross?
BerhaneSelassie: Leave Mormons out of this
Protestant Antinomian: no
Protestant Antinomian: Mormons have the same Jesus as the RCC......A different jesus who didn't die for ALL their sins in FULL.....They DO EVIL Because they don't BELIEVE in the TRUE JESUS
Protestant Antinomian: Just as the RCC doesn't
Protestant Antinomian: God sees your BELIEF as GOOD or EVIL ....Not your Works
BerhaneSelassie: Your idea of what Jesus did is blasphemous, which the Mormon jezus is too, except theirs is far worse
BerhaneSelassie: belief is NOT a DEED
Protestant Antinomian: ALL your Works are Evil in His Sight no matter how Good MAN Thinks they are
Protestant Antinomian: You MUST Be Born Again By Faith alone in Jesus death & Shed Blood Payment for ALL your sins, before GOD Sees you are His Child and able to do GOOD in His Sight
BerhaneSelassie: explain to by why the wicked works you do as a Christian still do not merit the ressurection of condemnation
BerhaneSelassie: to me*
Protestant Antinomian: ONLY When GOD IS INDWELLING YOU Can you do GOOD DEEDS for CHRISTS SAKE
BerhaneSelassie: Lets say you are NOT doing good deeds
BerhaneSelassie: lets say you are sinning
Protestant Antinomian: becasue they are of the FLESH
BerhaneSelassie: raping and murdering
BerhaneSelassie: why doesnt that merit condemnation
Protestant Antinomian: My Resurrection to Heaven has NOTHING at all to do with my WORKS...good or Bad....ONE SIN was Enough to Send me to HELL forever
BerhaneSelassie: YOU are STILL doing it, they are YOUR deeds
BerhaneSelassie: i agree
BerhaneSelassie: And Jesus looks at your sins on judgement day
BerhaneSelassie: HE SAID SO
Protestant Antinomian: My Resurrection to Heaven is ONLY Based upon MY Faith in JESUS FULL PAYMENT For ALL of my Sins on the Cross
Protestant Antinomian: I am made Perfect in GODS Sight because I Have Received the Imputed Righteousness of God by faith in Jesus Without Works!
Protestant Antinomian: Jesus Will NEVER Bring up My SINS Again
BerhaneSelassie: you are NOT still "perfect" or "righteous" if you sin
Protestant Antinomian: They are FORGOTTEN as far as the East is from the West
BerhaneSelassie: God is not a blind fool that does not see you for what you REALLY are
BerhaneSelassie: God does not forget what you NEVER repent of
Protestant Antinomian: I still sin...yes.....But that is the Flesh Birth....The NEW Birth is PERFECT & Cannot sin, because it is Born of God
BerhaneSelassie: Your gospel does not require repentance of sinful works
Protestant Antinomian: The Flesh birth does NOT go to Heaven
Protestant Antinomian: it dies
BerhaneSelassie: ooo, so God judges you by two standards?
BerhaneSelassie: does your flesh burn in hell?
Protestant Antinomian: It actually was Crucified With Christ and God Sees me Positionally as having been on the Cross WITH CHRIST & Dying for ALL my SIns already
Protestant Antinomian: lol...No...My Flesh doesn't burn in Hell
BerhaneSelassie: crucified with Christ is just an expression that the old self died
Protestant Antinomian: My Flesh will go back to the Dust and then at the Resurrection, It will be raise NEW!
BerhaneSelassie: so your flesh does not ever go to condemnation?
Protestant Antinomian: No
BerhaneSelassie: so even though it sin, and does wicked deeds, it gets a get out of jail free card?
Protestant Antinomian: this corruptible FLESH must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality
Protestant Antinomian: It will be Made NEW By GOD and I will receive a NEW BODY Like JESUS Resurrection Body
Protestant Antinomian: 1Cor. 15:54 "So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."
BerhaneSelassie: seen it alreaduy
Protestant Antinomian: 1Cor. 15:51 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"
Protestant Antinomian: CHANGED!
Protestant Antinomian: 1Cor. 15:52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."
BerhaneSelassie: so you believe the flesh birth died with Christ, but we still haev it when we sin?
BerhaneSelassie: and that the sinful flesh will be resurrected?
BerhaneSelassie: how does that make sense at all
Protestant Antinomian: That happens at the Resurrection.....my New Born again Spirit will come Back WITH JESUS IN THE AIR and Meet my NEW BODY
BerhaneSelassie: no one gets a "new body"
Protestant Antinomian: Yes.....Positionally It was Crucified with Christ and God Sees me as having Never sinned
BerhaneSelassie: its the old body but in ideal condition
BerhaneSelassie: Thats only if you REPENTED on those sins
BerhaneSelassie: if you still commit sin--God is NOT A FOOL
BerhaneSelassie: He judges the "hearts and minds"
Protestant Antinomian: Yet Practically I am still here on earth and still have this Old Flesh BODY and the Sinful Nature .....My New Spirit IN CHRIST War against the FLESH Every day
Protestant Antinomian: No one will be Judged by their deeds to determine Heaven
Protestant Antinomian: Their destination is determined by whether or not their BELIEVED the Gospel of Christ or not apart from their deeds.
BerhaneSelassie: so....the flesh was positionally crucified, you still have it, but you already have a "new birth" that is perfect
BerhaneSelassie: why do you need both?
Protestant Antinomian: IN HEAVEN, I will be Judged according to my Works for REWARD or Loss of rewards I could have received
BerhaneSelassie: Romans 2:7 says the reward for disobedience is damnation
BerhaneSelassie: im going to sleep good nite, I will post this conversation is you wan to read it
Protestant Antinomian: I Need a Body to Live...do I not? ...I cannot receive my NEW Body until the Resurrection....so for now I have the same old Body I was Born with.....But God says we are to RECKON ourselves to be DEAD unto sin and Alive unto God
Protestant Antinomian: Romans 6:11 "Likewise RECKON ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord." ….Gal 2:20 "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me."
Protestant Antinomian: Be sure to POST it all
Protestant Antinomian: The OLD MAN IS Still alive & Well in the Born again Christian..... God did Not Change that Old Flesh Nature.... He simply Gives the Believer a Brand New BIRTH ...... The OLD BIRTH Still Exists & Wars Daily With the New Birth Rom. 7:23.....Christ DIED For the Penalty of Sin which was Committed in the FLESH.....
Protestant Antinomian: As a Born again Believer God says we are to > RECKON < yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but ALIVE unto God ! Rom. 6:11 ...... If you WALK In the Spirit then you will NOT FULFILL THE LUSTS OF THE > FLESH<
BerhaneSelassie: OK, I get it, you are simultaneously a "new birth" and an "old birth"
BerhaneSelassie: as if that makes sense
Protestant Antinomian: The 2 Natures are Contrary the One to the Other and the Flesh Lusts against the Spirit and the Spirit against the Flesh. Gal. 5:16,17 ,... But if the Born again Christian WALKs IN THE SPIRIT they shall NOT FUlfil the Lust of the Flesh! …
Protestant Antinomian: 1Peter 2:11 "Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;" .
BerhaneSelassie: Your idea of Christians can fulfull the lusts of the flesh and go to heaven
Protestant Antinomian: Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.