Unreasonable hope that all might be saved and Vatican II

Also see my other entries on Hell and von Balthasar/Bishop Barron's claim that its within orthodox to have a hope for an empty hell. Comments on Bishop Barron new page on the matter . A more detailed, comprehensive entry.

A citation that has been used for decades to show that the Second Vatican Council rejected the idea of Hans Ur von Balthasar, who speculated that it is with in orthodox to hope that all men be saved, has been found.

"Unus Pater volt aliquam sententiam introduci ex qua appareat reprobos de facto haberi (ne damnatio ut mera hypothesis maneat).

 English: One father wanted a sentence to be introduced from which it would be clear that there are damned defacto, lest damnation remain as a mere hypothesis.

Propositum non quadrat cum hoc contextu. Ceterum in n. 48 Schematis citantur verba evangelica quibus Dominus ipse in forma grammaticaliter futura de reprobis loquitur.

English: The proposal does not square with this context. In no. 48 there are cited the words of the Gospel in which the Lord Himself speaks about the damned in a form which is grammatically future.

Acta Synodalia Sacrosancti Concilii Oecumenici Vaticani II Volumen III, Periodus Tertia, Pars VIII, Congregationes Generales CXXIII-CXXVII, Sessio Publica V, pages 144-145

That is to say, as James T. O'Connor referenced years ago, a father during the Council requested wording be added to show damnation is a fact, not merely a hypothesis. His request was denied because it was felt that it did not fit the context of the section in question, and furthermore, the matter that people will be damned is taught in Lumen Gentium 48, which quotes the gospel, using the grammatical future to describe the end of the wicked. "In no. 48 there are cited the words of the Gospel in which the Lord Himself speaks about the damned in a form which is grammatically future.""