Protestant
Antinomian: <<(05/29/13 5:01 AM EDT)>> Aren't
you glad that the "Good Works Athiests" will be with you in Heaven?
BerhaneSelassie:
who said that?
BerhaneSelassie:
who said that lie "good works atheists" go to heaven? it
does sound like something you would say if that atheist confessed JEsus for a
10th of a second
Protestant
Antinomian came online at 10:48 PM Protestant
Antinomian came online at 10:48 PM
Protestant
Antinomian: ACCORDING TO POPE FRANCIS, ATHEISTS CAN GET INTO HEAVEN “The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us,
with the Blood of Christ, all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the
atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone!” We must meet one another doing good.
‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: we will meet one
another there.”
Protestant
Antinomian: We must meet one another doing good. ‘But I don’t
believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: we
will meet one another there.”
Protestant
Antinomian: JESUS DID PAY For the SIns of ALL Mankind by His One time death
& Shed Blood on the Cross...That Payment was for Atheists too! ..... But in
order to Receive Jesus Payment for ALL your sins, you MUST BELIEVE Jesus is God
in Flesh who Died FOR YOUR SINS, > APART FROM YOUR WORKS < That He was
Buried and Rose from the Dead. Anything
apart from that, and you will > NOT MEET ME THERE!
Protestant
Antinomian is currently chatting in, endtime watchers
BerhaneSelassie:
care to explain how what the pope said there means atheists go to
heaven?
Protestant
Antinomian: ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: we
will meet one another there.”
Protestant
Antinomian: You tell me
BerhaneSelassie:
and how does that mean they go to heaven at all?
Protestant
Antinomian: He said > DO GOOD And we > WILL< Meet one another there
BerhaneSelassie:
yes, they can do good, what does that have to do with going to
heaven in this case?
Protestant
Antinomian: Not might meet one another there .... but >WILL
BerhaneSelassie:
yes "we will meet one another there ie doing good
Protestant
Antinomian: The Pope said if ATHEISTS DO GOOD they > WILL MEET HIM THERE
IN HEAVEN
BerhaneSelassie:
in fact, if you read the beginning of what you said..
BerhaneSelassie:
We must meet one another doing good.
BerhaneSelassie:
convenient how you ignored that
Protestant
Antinomian: The whole context was HEAVEN
BerhaneSelassie:
where was heaven mentioned at all?
Protestant
Antinomian: whatever Berhane.....You want to stick with that cult ...go
aheadd
Protestant
Antinomian: Your choice
Protestant
Antinomian: Reject Jesus if you wish
BerhaneSelassie:
http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2013/05/22/pope_at_mass:_culture_of_encounter_is_the_foundation_of_peace/en1-694445
Protestant
Antinomian: lol
BerhaneSelassie:
care to show me where he even uses the word heaven?
Protestant
Antinomian: really?
BerhaneSelassie:
we will make that culture of encounter: we need that so much. We
must meet one another doing good.
Text
from page http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2013/05/22/pope_at_mass:_culture_of_encounter_is_the_foundation_of_peace/en1-694445
of the
Vatican Radio website
BerhaneSelassie:
notice he says "we will make that culture of encounter"
BerhaneSelassie:
hes not talking about heaven at all.
BerhaneSelassie:
Did you even read what he said?
Protestant
Antinomian: What does REDEEMED Mean Berhane?
Protestant
Antinomian: Simple question
BerhaneSelassie:
If we, each doing our own part, if we do good to others, if we
meet there, doing good, and we go slowly, gently, little by little, we will
make that culture of encounter: we need that so much. We must meet one another
doing good. ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: we
will meet one another there.”
Protestant
Antinomian: What does REDEEMED Mean Berhane?
BerhaneSelassie:
means bought
Protestant
Antinomian: Bought and PAID FOR
BerhaneSelassie:
now explain how you got "meet there"=heaven when the
pope said "meet there"="doing good"
Protestant
Antinomian: Does your Pope believe that Athiests have Been REDEEMED?
BerhaneSelassie:
yes
BerhaneSelassie:
in fact damn people were redeemed
BerhaneSelassie:
2 Peter 2:1 has the false prophets burning in hell denying their
redeemer
Protestant
Antinomian: What do you suppose it was that Jesus REDEEMED for the Atheist?
BerhaneSelassie:
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there
will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive
heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift
destruction on themselves.--2 Peter 2:1
Protestant
Antinomian: Berhane..... I know the scriptures.
Protestant
Antinomian: What do you suppose it was that Jesus REDEEMED for the Atheist?
BerhaneSelassie:
then explain how they were damned and redeemed
Protestant
Antinomian: What do you suppose it was that Jesus REDEEMED for the Atheist?
BerhaneSelassie:
redeemed just means hes made the necessary provisions so we can
leave sin and go to heaven
BerhaneSelassie:
doesnt mean we will go to heaven
Protestant
Antinomian: Jesus receemed > the necessary provisions so we can leave sin
and go to heaven??
BerhaneSelassie:
The restoration of man from the bondage of sin to the liberty of
the children of God through the satisfactions and merits of Christ. --Catholic
Encyclopedia's definition
BerhaneSelassie:
Are you suggesting Jesus only redeemed the elect like Calvinists?
Protestant
Antinomian: The BIBLE Says that Jesus Redeemed us from the CURSE of the LAW, being Made a CURSE
FOR US
BerhaneSelassie:
and?
Protestant
Antinomian: Jesus Redeemed the Atheist from CURSE of the LAW, Because NO ONE
IS GOOD and NO ONE Can DO GOOD to REDEEM themselves...... JESUS PAID IT ALL FOR
YOU & THe ATheist .....The Condition for SALVATION Is NOT DOING GOOD....It
is BELIEF In JESUS REDEEMING BLOOD SACRIFICE On the CROSS.
BerhaneSelassie:
btw...He was only made a curse in the sense he died the death of a
cursed man---ona tree
BerhaneSelassie:
No one ever said anyone can redeem themself. Even wicked people
can be capable of SOME natural good--ISrael had wicked kings, but God even told
one of them "there is SOME good found in you"
Protestant
Antinomian: NO ONE Can do ANY GOOD THING to HELP Them get to Heaven
Protestant
Antinomian: NOTHING
BerhaneSelassie:
Yet some good things
are to be found in you, since you have removed the sacred poles from the land
and have been determined to seek God."--2 Chronicles 19:3
Protestant
Antinomian: You MUST TRUST IN JESUS ALONE & HIS PERFECT Sacrifice FOR
YOU on the Cross
BerhaneSelassie:
Never claimed anyone can do anything on their own to make himself
go to heaven
Protestant
Antinomian: Doing GOOD for OTHER People is NOT DOING Good for HEAVEN
BerhaneSelassie:
"The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood
of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’
Even the atheists."
BerhaneSelassie:
NEVER said it necessarily is
Protestant
Antinomian: He said > DO GOOD And we > WILL< Meet one another there
Protestant
Antinomian: The RCC is ALL ABout DOING GOOD To GAIN Entrance into Heaven
BerhaneSelassie:
yes, meet one another "doing good"
Protestant
Antinomian: It is a WORKS For Salvation factory
BerhaneSelassie:
its a way people speak, nothing to do with heaven, its about a
"culture"
Protestant
Antinomian: sorry berhane.... you will NEVER WIn this one
Protestant
Antinomian: Your religion is trusting in the WRONG thing
BerhaneSelassie:
obviously i cannot win if you are willfully stubborn
BerhaneSelassie:
if we do good to others, if
we meet there, doing good, and we go slowly, gently, little by little, we will
make that culture of encounter: we need that so much. We must meet one another
doing good.
BerhaneSelassie:
how about actuallly reading what the pope said?
BerhaneSelassie:
"if we meet there, doing good...."
BerhaneSelassie:
no mention of heaven at all in the homily.
Protestant
Antinomian: The Atheist doesn't HAVE to DO GOOD to go to heaven....he Needs
to CHANE His MIND & TRUST JESUS IS GOD In Flesh who DIED FOR ALL HIS SINS ,
was Buried and Rose from the Dead, APART FROM HIS WORKS.....That is
the ONLY Way He or ANYONE ELSE CAN BE SAVED!
BerhaneSelassie:
yes, the atheist must have faith, grace, and DO good, otherwise he
has fallen from grace, and has denied the faith.
Protestant
Antinomian: NO...DOING GOOD CANNOT HELP
Protestant
Antinomian: lol
BerhaneSelassie:
and will come out,
those who have done GOOD DEEDS to the resurrection of life, but those who have
done wicked deeds to the resurrection of condemnation.--JOhn 5:29
BerhaneSelassie:
NOTICE JESUS CONTRASTS THOSE THAT DO GOOD AND THOSE THAT DO BAD?
BerhaneSelassie:
Which one will the atheist that converts and believers, but never
stops doing bad, will he go to?
Protestant
Antinomian: NO ONE CAN DO GOOD Until they FIRST ARE SAVED By FAITH ALONE IN
JESUS WITHOUT WORKS
BerhaneSelassie:
depends on what you call good.
BerhaneSelassie:
AS i mentioned--wicked king did good.
BerhaneSelassie:
Yet some good things
are to be found in you, since you have removed the sacred poles from the land
and have been determined to seek God."--2 Chronicles 19:3
Protestant
Antinomian: God doesn't See ANYONE As being GOOD in his SIght until they
receive the IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD BY FAITH ALONE IN JESUS WITHOUT WORKS
BerhaneSelassie:
God created all things good.
Protestant
Antinomian: That has NOTHING to do with DOING GOOD For SALVATION
BerhaneSelassie:
no magical imputation required.
Protestant
Antinomian: Please don't Pick verses out of the air and try to Apply them as
a Condition for SALVATION
BerhaneSelassie:
Jesus said the saved WILL do good deeds.
BerhaneSelassie:
not "might if they want extra credit"
Protestant
Antinomian: Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but
according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and
renewing of the Holy Ghost;
BerhaneSelassie:
speaking of saving people, particularly when they were never saved
in the first place
Protestant
Antinomian: THE SAVED CAN DO GOOD and will Receive REWARDS for their WORKS
Protestant
Antinomian: THE LOST Can DO NO GOOD
BerhaneSelassie:
btw that verse teaches baptisal regeneration
Protestant
Antinomian: The LOST WIll Go to Hell due to their UNBELIEF & Be Judged a
Degree of PUNISHMEMNT IN HELL According to their WORKS
Protestant
Antinomian: It doesn't teach Baptismal regeneration....
BerhaneSelassie:
"by the washing of regeneration"
Protestant
Antinomian: The Regeneration is that of the NEW BIRTH of the BELIEVER As the
HOLY SPIRIT BAPTIZES the Believer into the Body of CHRIST ...... That is the
TRUE BAPTISM!
Protestant
Antinomian: That Baptism you CANNOT SEE
BerhaneSelassie:
regardless, that verse does not damage at all, it simply states
the actions you did before salvation have no bearing on how you got that
salvation
Protestant
Antinomian: That Baptism is DRY....NO WATER ADDED and it is > WITHOUT
WORKS!
BerhaneSelassie:
Jesus was "born of water and Spirit" in a sense
BerhaneSelassie:
JEsus commanded people to do likewise
Protestant
Antinomian: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest
any man should boast.
BerhaneSelassie:
once again Ephesians 2 is about people dead in their sins, in fact
the kjv adds these words
Protestant
Antinomian: Notice you are SAVED BY FAITH and > NOT OF YOURSELF ......
SALVATION IS THE GIFT OF GOD >> NOT OF WORKS!
BerhaneSelassie:
in fact the Council of Trent reaffirms this explicitly
Protestant
Antinomian: NOT OF WORKS Means > NOT OF WORKS
Protestant
Antinomian: Period
Protestant
Antinomian: STOP TRYING to SAVE YOURSELF
BerhaneSelassie:
never claimed to
Protestant
Antinomian: TRUST JESUS ALONE
Protestant
Antinomian: NO WORKS
Protestant
Antinomian: PERIOD
Protestant
Antinomian: NOT ADD SOME WORKS
Protestant
Antinomian: DON'T TRY To ADD ANYTHING
BerhaneSelassie:
read ST John on this, the point of the passage is mostly to say
salvation by faith is a gift of God
BerhaneSelassie:
ie. the process
Protestant
Antinomian: JUST TRUST JESUS PAYMENT ALONE
Protestant
Antinomian: JESUS REDEEMED You from the CURSE of the LAW BY > HIS BLOOD
Protestant
Antinomian: HE BECAME A RANSOM FOR YOU!
BerhaneSelassie:
why do you change topics
Protestant
Antinomian: You want GRACE or What you DESERVE?
Protestant
Antinomian: The Atheist needs the SAME THING
Protestant
Antinomian: SALVATION
Protestant
Antinomian: You can ONLY Receive SALVATION BY FAITH IN JESUS WITHOUT YOUR WORKS
BerhaneSelassie:
Before you go on read this:
Protestant
Antinomian: Romans 11:6 “And if by grace, then is it no more of works:
otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more
grace: otherwise work is no more work.”
Protestant
Antinomian: The WHole world Knows your Pope thinks Atheists Need GOOD WORKS to
Be SAVED
Protestant
Antinomian: But the GOOD NEWS is that You can be saved BY GRACE, Through FAITH
ALONE IN JESUS > WITHOUT WORKS!
BerhaneSelassie:
man is justified by faith
and freely, those words are to be understood in that sense which the perpetual
consent of the Catholic Church hath held and expressed; to wit, that we are
therefore said to be justified by faith, because faith is the beginning of
human salvation, the foundation, and the root of all Justification; without
which it is impossible to please God, and to come unto the fellowship of His
sons: but we are therefore said to be justified freely, because that none of
those things which precede justification-whether faith or works-merit the grace
itself of justification. For, if it be a grace, it is not now by works,
otherwise, as the same Apostle says, grace is no more grace.
BerhaneSelassie:
Stop making stuff up about the pope, especially after I already
demonstrated that he said no such thing
Protestant
Antinomian: You cannot MIX GRACE & WORKS for SALVATION
BerhaneSelassie:
I suppose I should believe all media lies about you if they happen
BerhaneSelassie:
read the statement above.
Protestant
Antinomian: Berhane....I read it
Protestant
Antinomian: It is a MIXTURE of SALVATION & DISCIPLESHIP
BerhaneSelassie:
none of those things which precede justification-whether faith or
works-merit the grace itself of justification. For, if it be a grace, it is not
now by works, otherwise, as the same Apostle says, grace is no more grace.
Protestant
Antinomian: That is the Problem
Protestant
Antinomian: you are NOT Able to divide SALVATION Which is a FREE GIFT & NOT
Of ANY WORKS with The Christian Life verses that Speak of the SAVED Man AFTER
SALVATION & The Type of Lifestyle they SHOULD Choose to Live to PLEASE GOD!
BerhaneSelassie:
NONE of those things which precede justification-whether faith or
works-MERIT the grace itself of justification.
Protestant
Antinomian: Reed what I just wrote
Protestant
Antinomian: If you Attempt to DO ANYTHING of Self as a Condition for SALVATION
from Hell....Then you will have NO GRACE
Protestant
Antinomian: That is just the way it is
Protestant
Antinomian: Romans 4:4 “Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of
grace, but of debt. “
Protestant
Antinomian: Romans 4:5 “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him
that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”
BerhaneSelassie:
that quote only dealt with how to become justified when you are in
sin
Protestant
Antinomian: THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT HEAVEN IS NOT A REWARD For DOING
GOOD......Going to HEAVEN is a FREE GIFT BY GRACE Through Faith alone in JESUS
Christ who Paid it ALL For YOU!
BerhaneSelassie:
David was talkig about DEBT--as if God could ever owe man a thing
Protestant
Antinomian: Berhane...... The DEBT is your SIN
BerhaneSelassie:
Your idea of Jesus makes him a debt the Father have to pay
Protestant
Antinomian: You cannot REDEEM It by ANYTHING YOU DO
Protestant
Antinomian: JESUS Redeemed it by HIS BLOOD
Protestant
Antinomian: NO your part for salvation is that you > BELIEVE
Protestant
Antinomian: But you will NOT Believe it
is FREE
Protestant
Antinomian: That is the SAD Part
Protestant
Antinomian: You cannot receive the Free Gift because you are TRYING to Deserve
it
Protestant
Antinomian: That is why God cannot save you.
BerhaneSelassie:
never remotely implied self redemption
Protestant
Antinomian: If you ADD your Good Works by Believing they can HELP Get you to
Heaven, then you cannot be saved by GRACE
Protestant
Antinomian: Understand?
Protestant
Antinomian: See, If it is of any works at all, then it is NO LONGER >
GRACE
Protestant
Antinomian: By simple definition, Grace is the very Absence of Works
Protestant
Antinomian: So it cannot be by Grace if ANY Work is Added to it
Protestant
Antinomian: That would redefine the Term
BerhaneSelassie:
talking about how to become just
Protestant
Antinomian: To be JUSTIFIED Before God to enter Heaven , you must be seen as
Having NEVER Sinned. And your WORKS
CANNOT Justify your SIN
Protestant
Antinomian: That is why it MUST be BY GRACE
Protestant
Antinomian: If you ADD WORKS to it , then it is NO MORE GRACE
BerhaneSelassie:
God remits small sins
BerhaneSelassie:
and allows for repentance
BerhaneSelassie:
and doing works are HOW we show sorry for sins, in fact thats how
King Nebechanetzar was instructed to show it
Protestant
Antinomian: God cannot Remit ANY SIN, no matte how Small, apart from FAITH
ALONE IN JESUS PAYMENT FOR THose Sins on the Cross, apart from your works
Protestant
Antinomian: God cannot just forgive your sins, no matter how small, as if
they never happened.
BerhaneSelassie:
ofcourse faith is required.
Protestant
Antinomian: Faith in JESUS PAYMET
Protestant
Antinomian: NOT YOU & JESUS
Protestant
Antinomian: Your Good works CANNOT HELP
Protestant
Antinomian: IN NO WAY
Protestant
Antinomian: You cannot BUY SALVATION through GOOD WORKS
Protestant
Antinomian: SO what you want to do is to HELP REDEEM YOURSELF
Protestant
Antinomian: That is what you really are saying Berhane....YOU Want to be
Co-REDEEMER WITH JESUS.
BerhaneSelassie:
never said that remotely
Protestant
Antinomian: Yes you did
Protestant
Antinomian: The ONLY PAYMENT For ANY SIN happened on the Cross
Protestant
Antinomian: Period
Protestant
Antinomian: So HUMBLE yoruself Berhane & Understand that YOUR WORKS DO NOT
Please GOD....He is NOT Impressed by your Zeal
Protestant
Antinomian: Understand that you are LOST and IN DIRE NEED of a SAVIOR, Because
your Good Works CANNOT EVER HELP
BerhaneSelassie:
are you suggesting God cannot be impressed by zeal?
Protestant
Antinomian: And come to JESUS and TRUST JESUS PAYMENT IN FULL, Apart from your
and the Roman Catholic church to HELP
Protestant
Antinomian: That will be the ONLY WAY you will wind up in Heaven
BerhaneSelassie:
are you going to answer my question
Protestant
Antinomian: God is NOT Impressed with your Zeal ..... YOU NEED SALVATION
according to KNOWLEDGE, because you are ignorant of God's righteousness and and
going about to establish their own righteousness through your WORKS..... You
have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God BY FAITH IN JESUS
WITHOUT WORKS!
Protestant
Antinomian: Notice that Paul says concerning Israel >> Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God
for Israel is, that they might be SAVED.
Protestant
Antinomian: Do you want to be SAVED??
Protestant
Antinomian: Romans 10:2 For I bear them
record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
Protestant
Antinomian: BUT NOT ACCORDING TO KNOWLEDGE
BerhaneSelassie:
they were ignorant.
Protestant
Antinomian: What were they Ignorant of?
Protestant
Antinomian: Romans 10:3 “For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and
going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves
unto the righteousness of God.”
Protestant
Antinomian: Romans 10:4 “For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to
every one that BELIEVETH.”
BerhaneSelassie:
righteousness of God is a technical term
Protestant
Antinomian: Romans 4:6 “Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the
man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,”
Protestant
Antinomian: You need GOD'S RIGHTEOUSNESS Behane
Protestant
Antinomian: God's Rightousness is ONLY Obtained by FAITH in Jesus WITHOUT WORKS
BerhaneSelassie:
notice it says "submitted themselves to the righteousness of
God"
Protestant
Antinomian: Don't be Ignorant of this Fact
Protestant
Antinomian: You Subnit yourself BY FAITH
Protestant
Antinomian: NOT By your WOrks
Protestant
Antinomian: Romans 4:6 “Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the
man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,”
Protestant
Antinomian: Submit yourself to GOD BY FAITH
BerhaneSelassie:
did this before.
BerhaneSelassie:
Romans 4 is "works of debt" like Paul explicitly says.
BerhaneSelassie:
God can never owe man a tihng
Protestant
Antinomian: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Protestant
Antinomian: Berhane..... Your SIN IS a DEBT YOU CANNOT PAY
BerhaneSelassie:
now you are just being robotic
Protestant
Antinomian: This is the Heart of it
Protestant
Antinomian: You WANT to TRY & PAY the DEBT you cannot pay
Protestant
Antinomian: That is what the PRIDE of MAN Does
BerhaneSelassie:
going to post this, and change your name
BerhaneSelassie:
good nite
Protestant
Antinomian: That is what ALL the World Religions do
Protestant
Antinomian: Berhane..... It all boils down to you are TRYING to Save yourself
Protestant
Antinomian: You will wind up in HELL as a Result
Protestant
Antinomian: LORD LORD you will cry
Protestant
Antinomian: Jesus will say > I NEVER KNEW YOU
Protestant
Antinomian: Is that what you want?
BerhaneSelassie:
we've had this discussion before.
BerhaneSelassie:
He casts them out for being WORKERS of INIQUITY
Protestant
Antinomian: CHANGE YOUR MIND and HUMBLE Yourslef to GOD & Submit to HIS
RIGHTEOUSNESS BY FAITH IN JESUS > WITHOUT WORKS
Protestant
Antinomian: The MANY WONDERFUL WORKS DONE IN HIS NAME Is what he calls
INIQUITY!!
Protestant
Antinomian: Read it
Protestant
Antinomian: isn't that a WAKE UP
BerhaneSelassie:
hes not calling those works iniquity
Protestant
Antinomian: Matt. 7:22 “Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name
done MANY WONDERFUL WORKS?
BerhaneSelassie:
casting out demon in the name of Christ cannot be iniquity
Protestant
Antinomian: Matt. 7:23 “And then will I profess unto them I NEVER KNEW YOU
depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Protestant
Antinomian: It is if you are DOING Those things by BELIEVING They can HELP SAVE
YOU
BerhaneSelassie:
the fact it says "and"...."in thy name do any
wonderful" works shows those were not part of the previous
Protestant
Antinomian: Which is what YOU & MOST of the World are DOING
Protestant
Antinomian: JESUS Calls those MANY WOnderful WORKS You are TRYING to DO IN HIS
NAME >> SIN
BerhaneSelassie:
besides...going miracles do not justify a man, it might be
evidence of holiness, but not necessarily and certainly not before God
Protestant
Antinomian: They were > NEVER SAVED!
Protestant
Antinomian: Amazing isn't it
BerhaneSelassie:
how do you know they were never saved. maybe they professed for 10
seconds Jesus' work alone.
Protestant
Antinomian: Because Jesus said to them >> I MEVER KNEW YOU
Protestant
Antinomian: Not that I ONCE KNEW you & Then you were Lost
Protestant
Antinomian: But He said > I NEVER KNEW YOU
Protestant
Antinomian: Yet they called Him their LORD
BerhaneSelassie:
its rabbinical expression of rejection
Protestant
Antinomian: They did MANY WONDERFUL WORKS ... ALL IN HIS NAME
BerhaneSelassie:
hyperbole. Like saying "I have no son!"
Protestant
Antinomian: lol
Protestant
Antinomian: Give me a Break
BerhaneSelassie:
How did they pull off casting out demons without faith and knowing
him?
Protestant
Antinomian: Jesus NEVER KNEW THEM
Protestant
Antinomian: 'Not like I have NO SON
BerhaneSelassie:
THe rabbis in the talmud used similar expressions as a ban.
Protestant
Antinomian: They are being Cast into HELL because they NEVER BELIEVED ON HIM
BerhaneSelassie:
not true.
Protestant
Antinomian: According to YOU & THE RCC, That Group should be in Heaven
BerhaneSelassie:
They were being cast in to hell because of sin--they were false
prophets and Workers on iniquity
Protestant
Antinomian: They did Just what they SHould have done
Protestant
Antinomian: I agree they are FALSE Prophets
BerhaneSelassie:
no according to you, if that work had even at one point for the
slightest second professed true faith, yet fell into their sin that caused
jesus to say that--they belong in heaven
BerhaneSelassie:
*if they had even at one point
Protestant
Antinomian: They are FALSE because they Believe & Teach that Jesus is LORD
& You MUST ADD your MANY WOnderful WORKS for Salvation
Protestant
Antinomian: They DIDN"T To THE WILL OF THE FATHER for their SALVATION
Protestant
Antinomian: Do you Know what the WILL Of the Father is for SALVATION Berhane?
Protestant
Antinomian: Matt. 7:21 “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall
enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my
Father which is in heaven.
BerhaneSelassie:
ofcourse you will probably skip to Johns gospel for the answer.
BerhaneSelassie:
"answer" rather.
Protestant
Antinomian: Line upon line precept upon precept
Protestant
Antinomian: Matt. 7:21 “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall
enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which
is in heaven.
BerhaneSelassie:
I doubt you know what that saying meant.
Protestant
Antinomian: John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one
which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I
will raise him up at the last day.
Protestant
Antinomian: Berhane..... GOD LOVES YOU
BerhaneSelassie:
One if God doing the work, the other is man.
BerhaneSelassie:
Why mixed the two.
Protestant
Antinomian: He wants to save you
BerhaneSelassie:
Calvinists do this frequently
BerhaneSelassie:
then you act like law keeping is not what God wills.
BerhaneSelassie:
God doesnt want you to do what He says!
Protestant
Antinomian: God does NO WORKS IN YOU until you FIRST > BELIEVE ON HIM and
GET SAVED
BerhaneSelassie:
"God doesnt will you to do what He wants!"
Protestant
Antinomian: ONLY THEN Does GOD ENTER YOU And is able to Works through you
BerhaneSelassie:
btw....precept upon precept simply refers to God's precepts
superceding those of a pagan deity.
Protestant
Antinomian: God doesn't want you to BELIEVE that DOING GOOD Can HELP SAVE YOU
Protestant
Antinomian: But that is what you Belive
Protestant
Antinomian: and because your BELIEF is that your GOOD WORKS will HELP SAVE you,
GOD Sees your Good Works as SIN
Protestant
Antinomian: See, I am NOT going to Heaven because I DID ANYTHING FOR
GOD..... I am Going to Heaven because of MY BELIEF In What JESUS DID FOR ME!
BerhaneSelassie:
God is not a fool--He sees the heart.
Protestant
Antinomian: Yet YOU Are currently
Headed for HELL Because you THINK That you MUST DO SOMETHING For GOD....
How Ironic!
BerhaneSelassie:
you have a Pharisee god....who allows for white washed seplchurs
BerhaneSelassie:
good nite
Protestant
Antinomian: you Must REPENT/ CHANGE YOUR MIND
Before this debate I made a video on the Popes homily
