Friday, September 28, 2012

Ambrose, Limited Atonement, Owens

I was in a facebook debate group between Catholics and Protestants, a Protestant brought up the following quote:

“If thou believe not, Christ did not descend for thee, he did not suffer for thee.”

I asked for the source, and it was the same source that all the google results showed, which were all traced by to John Owen, who COMPLETELY miscites Ambrose, pointing you to the completely wrong works, in fact if you were to read the works he cites, you will see God willing all men to be saved. http://archive.org/stream/stprosperofaquit027573mbp#page/n99/mode/2up

After hours of work, I found out all the work was ALREADY done by http://philgons.com/2012/03/if-you-die-in-unbelief-christ-did-not-die-for-you/


If context of the quote is:

27. Great, therefore, is the mystery of Christ, before which even angels stood amazed and bewildered. For this cause, then, it is your duty to worship Him, and, being a servant, you ought not to detract from your Lord. Ignorance you may not plead, for to this end He came down, that you may believe; if you believe not, He has not come down for you, has not suffered for you. "If I had not come," says the Scripture, "and spoken with them, they would have no sin: but now have they no excuse for their sin. He that hates Me, hates My Father also." John 15:22-23 Who, then, hates Christ, if not he who speaks to His dishonour?— for as it is love's part to render, so it is hate's to withdraw honour. He who hates, calls in question; he who loves, pays reverence.--St Ambrose, Book 4, chapter 2, paragraph 27 http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/34044.htm

Notice “If thou believe not, Christ did not descend for thee, he did not suffer for thee.” make sense if you read the next sentence:"If I had not come," says the Scripture, "and spoken with them, they would have no sin: but now have they no excuse for their sin. He that hates Me, hates My Father also."


 


 

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