Protestant Antinomian: Berhane.... For your very own list, Just Google "Roman catholic heresies" and you can study all the years of false doctrines from the RCC and how they came about. There are hundreds of them.
BerhaneSelassie: I've seen this bogus list before.
BerhaneSelassie: I should make up a bogus list about you and insist you are deceived for not believing my made up list
Protestant Antinomian: It is not secret .... The cat is out of the bag.... Catholics are just Blind to the truth of their very own false religion.
Protestant Antinomian: If ALL those lists are bogus.... Then Why doesn't the RCC do something about the Slander?
Protestant Antinomian: Because they KNOW it is True....It is HISTORICAL FACT
Protestant Antinomian: anyway..... 2 Cor. 4:4 applies
BerhaneSelassie: Because we have more important things to do, and we have catholic websites refuting them, and I have already refuted the ones you posted
Protestant Antinomian: lol
Protestant Antinomian: I'm sure
BerhaneSelassie: ok ill make 100 lists against your faith, then if you dont address each one, i will insist its true because you have not complained about slander
Protestant Antinomian: actually I just posted a nice response to one of the sites that posted one of the lists against the RCC & the False Gospel ...His name was Ken Matto
Protestant Antinomian: It didn't post yet....if ever? Until it is reviewed by him
Protestant Antinomian: want to see what I said?
BerhaneSelassie: who is he
BerhaneSelassie: i dont even understand what you are saying
Protestant Antinomian: He is a Dr, of Theology who posted one of the RCC lists of Catholic heresies and the years all your false doctrines came into existence ….. He also wrote an article titled , “How to detect a false gospel.” In which he slammed the RCC & Others…. I responded to him in Blog.
Protestant Antinomian: Have you ever googled The Roman Catholic Heresies before and read what they are and how they came into existance? You might just learn something.
BerhaneSelassie: DR of crap
BerhaneSelassie: ive looked into it before
BerhaneSelassie: pack of lies and bad history
BerhaneSelassie: anyone thats has read the church fathers for themselves know better than to fall for such obvious historical errors
Protestant Antinomian: Funny how whenever dozens of groups come up with the SAME pack of Lies from History, you call them crap
BerhaneSelassie: simple, because they all have to disprove my churhc
Protestant Antinomian: Did all those doctrines just come about at once?
Protestant Antinomian: lol
BerhaneSelassie: the fact is they are all break offs of my church
BerhaneSelassie: what doctriens?
Protestant Antinomian: The Bible alone disproves the RCC flase doctrines .... The Lists just tell us the dates they came about as the RCC brought them into existance
BerhaneSelassie: the fact is many of you protestants are guilty of plaguarism
BerhaneSelassie: those list are lies, the bible does no such thing, unless you read historical writings with the same level of competency as the bible
BerhaneSelassie: in which case the bible says Alien invented pizza
Protestant Antinomian: What year do you think the MASS was adopted?
Protestant Antinomian: According to the RCC?
Protestant Antinomian: Give me the Facts.
Protestant Antinomian: lol
BerhaneSelassie: The Mass is taken from the bible
BerhaneSelassie: but even then, we have the writings of St Justin Martyr on it in the mid 2nd century
Protestant Antinomian: No such thing
BerhaneSelassie: And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.
BerhaneSelassie: --St Justin Martyr, First Apology, Chapter 67
BerhaneSelassie: Justin Martyr,First Apology,67(A.D. 110-165),in ANF,I:185
Protestant Antinomian: Berhane...... Lol......That has NOTHING to do with the abomination of the Roman Catholic MASS?
BerhaneSelassie: how so?
BerhaneSelassie: He writes about gathering on sunday, eatin the eucharist, and giving it others, and he even says they took it out to the sick
BerhaneSelassie: He even writes about the real presence in the eucharist in the chapter before
BerhaneSelassie: And this food is called among us Εὐχαριστία [the Eucharist], of which no one is allowed to partake but the man who believes that the things which we teach are true, and who has been washed with the washing that is for the remission of sins, and unto regeneration, and who is so living as Christ has enjoined. For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh by the Word of God, had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh. For the apostles, in the memoirs composed by them, which are called Gospels, have thus delivered unto us what was enjoined upon them; that Jesus took bread, and when He had given thanks, said, "This do in remembrance of Me, Luke 22:19 this is My body;" and that, after the same manner, having taken the cup and given thanks, He said, "This is My blood;" and gave it to them alone. Which the wicked devils have imitated in the mysteries of Mithras, commanding the same thing to be done. For, that bread and a cup of water are placed with certain incantations in the mystic rites of one who is being initiated, you either know or can learn.
Protestant Antinomian: The Mass is nothing but the Blasphemous ritual of Man TRYING to Recrucify Jesus alll over again to Pay for sins that have ALready been Paid for IN FULL > ONCE & FOR ALL by Jesus 2000 Years ago!
BerhaneSelassie: ADMIT HE WROTE ABOUT IT
BerhaneSelassie: RECRUCIFYING CLAIM IS SLANDER TOO
Protestant Antinomian: Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered >ONE< sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
BerhaneSelassie: YES IT IS ONE
Protestant Antinomian: There is NO SUCH thing
BerhaneSelassie: ITS THE SAME SACRIFICE AS AT THE CROSS
Protestant Antinomian: so NO ONE Wrote about it accept to Condemn the False Prophets who came in unaware ....The RCC
BerhaneSelassie: THATS WHY HE SAID "ANAMNESIS"
Protestant Antinomian: Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
BerhaneSelassie: "They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again"
Ignatius of Antioch,Epistle to Smyrnaeans,7,1(c.A.D. 110),in ANF,I:89
BerhaneSelassie: SANCTIFIED MEANS CONSECRATED
Protestant Antinomian: Berhane....Notice what the BIBLE SAYS >> Heb. 10:18 “Now where remission of these is, there is NO MORE OFFERING FOR SIN.”
BerhaneSelassie: AS IN WHEN THEY CONSECRATE A PRIEST
Protestant Antinomian: there is NO MORE OFFERING FOR SIN
Protestant Antinomian: there is NO MORE OFFERING FOR SIN
BerhaneSelassie: YES
Protestant Antinomian: there is NO MORE OFFERING FOR SIN
BerhaneSelassie: NO MORE
BerhaneSelassie: CHRIST'S IS THE ONLY OFFERING
Protestant Antinomian: What does > NO MORE OFFERING Mean to you?
Protestant Antinomian: His > ONE TIME OFFERING WAS ENOUGH
BerhaneSelassie: MEANS WE DONT KILL JESUS OR ANYTHING ELSE AGAIN
Protestant Antinomian: He SAT DOWN Because it was > FINISHED!
BerhaneSelassie: YES
Protestant Antinomian: He PAID IT ALL ONCE & FOR ALL
BerhaneSelassie: DEFINE PAID
Protestant Antinomian: Yet the RCC doesn't Believe that and they TRY to Place Jesus back on the Cross and Recrucify him All over again in the Blasphemous practice called the Mass
Protestant Antinomian: It is SICK
BerhaneSelassie: WHERE DO YOU GET THIS RECRUCIFY NONENSENSE?
Protestant Antinomian: Paid means ALL your sin debt is Covered IN FULL....JESUS took EVERY Singles sin you would Ever commit upon Himself on the Cross and Died for them.
BerhaneSelassie: UPON HIMSELF?
BerhaneSelassie: DO YOU MEAN HE DIED AS IF HE SINNED?
Protestant Antinomian: There is NO SIN you could Ever commit that Jesus didn't see on the cross that he didn't pay for
Protestant Antinomian: Jesus never sinned... That is how he was able to Pay for your sin and mine and on the Cross the Bible tells us that Jesus Became Sin FOR US and BY HIMSELF He Purged our Sins!
BerhaneSelassie: BECAME SIN IS A FIGURE OF SPEECH, HE WAS REFERING TO A SIN OFFERING
Protestant Antinomian: No
BerhaneSelassie: JESUS DID NOT LITERALLY DO THAT OR HED BE IN HELL
Protestant Antinomian: It is WHAT JESUS DID FOR > YOU
Protestant Antinomian: “For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.” 2 Cor. 5:21
Protestant Antinomian: 2 Corinthians 5:19 “To wit, that God was in Christ, RECONCILING THE WORLD UNTO HIMSELF, NOT IMPUTING THEIR TRESPASSES UNTO THEM; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.”
Protestant Antinomian: NOT IMPUTING THEIR TRESPASSES UNTO THEM!
BerhaneSelassie: TRUE
BerhaneSelassie: IT DOESNT SAY HE IMPUTED THEM TO HIMSELF
Protestant Antinomian: HE TOOK AWAY YOUR SINS BY HIS DEATH & SHED BLOOD
Protestant Antinomian: The Bible tells us that God laid the Iniquity of us ALL upon JESUS
Protestant Antinomian: The Bible says that Jesus was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter,
BerhaneSelassie: HE TOOK THEM AWAY
Protestant Antinomian: The Bible also says that Jesus was was cut off out of the land of the living: for Your SINSstricken.
BerhaneSelassie: HE DID NOT TAKE THEM ON HIMSELF AS IF THEY WERE HIS OWN
Protestant Antinomian: YES HE DID
Protestant Antinomian: Exactly as they were His ....He BORE OUR SINS The Bible says
BerhaneSelassie: LEARN WHAT "BORE" MEANS THERE
Protestant Antinomian: Your supposed first pope Peter even agrees that Jesus > his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
BerhaneSelassie: Calvinists try to prove a penaly substitution with verses like 2 Corinthians 5:21, or Isaiah 53 and so on. When the fact is 2 Corinthians 5:21 by saying Christ "became sin for us" is an expression St Paul was using for a sin offering, and Isaiah 53 doesn't mean God treated Christ as if He had our sins, in fact Matthew 8:17 interprets this part of Isaiah as Jesus healing the sick and casting out demons:
When it was evening, they brought him many who were possessed by demons, and he drove out the spirits by a word and cured all the sick, to fulfill what had been said by Isaiah the prophet: “He took away our infirmities and bore our diseases.”--Matthew 8:16-17
Protestant Antinomian: BARE means > to place on one's self anything as a load to be carried ... o sustain, i.e. their punishment
BerhaneSelassie: READ THAT VERSE OF MATTHEW 8 THEN TELL ME WHAT BORE MEANS IN THE BIBLE
Protestant Antinomian: That is the BIBLICAL Definition ....But you don't believe the Biible ... do you?
BerhaneSelassie: When it was evening, they brought him many who were possessed by demons, and he drove out the spirits by a word and cured all the sick, to fulfill what had been said by Isaiah the prophet: “He took away our infirmities and bore our diseases.”--Matthew 8:16-17
Protestant Antinomian: Read 1 Peter 2:24 and tell me what it means
Protestant Antinomian: That is the verse
BerhaneSelassie: IT MEANS HE SUFFERED FOR OUR SINS AND BY DOING SO CAUSED THEM TO BE REMITTED
Protestant Antinomian: The Greek Word is anaphero and it means > BARE means > to place on one's self anything as a load to be carried ... o sustain, i.e. their punishment
BerhaneSelassie: HOW ABOUT READING HOW THE NT DEFINES IT
BerhaneSelassie: When it was evening, they brought him many who were possessed by demons, and he drove out the spirits by a word and cured all the sick, to fulfill what had been said by Isaiah the prophet: “He took away our infirmities and bore our diseases.”--Matthew 8:16-17
BerhaneSelassie: IT QUOTES THE SAME CHAPTER OF ISAIAH
BerhaneSelassie: HE BORE OUR DISEASES, DOES THAT MEAN HE GOT SICK?
BerhaneSelassie: DID JESUS BECOME CANCER?
BerhaneSelassie: DID JESUS GET AIDES?
Protestant Antinomian: Berhane.....Why do you want to take the Power of Salvation away from Jesus and place it upon yourself and your religion?
BerhaneSelassie: NO.
BerhaneSelassie: NOW YOU ARE JUST EVADING THE ISSUE
Protestant Antinomian: The context of Matt. 8 and 1 Peter 2:24 are NOT the Same.....Matt. speaks about Baring sickness and infirmities ..... 1 Peter 2:24 speaks about JESUS BARING OUR > SINS IN HIS OWN BODY ON THE VROSS!!!
Protestant Antinomian: CROSS
BerhaneSelassie: I agree, but they are both using Isaiah 53 and BOTH using the term "bare"
Protestant Antinomian: So the Issue is your SINS and WHO PAID THEM
Protestant Antinomian: The BIBLE Says that > JESUS BORE THEM ALL ON THE CROSS > BY HIMSELF!
Protestant Antinomian: Didn't need your help
Protestant Antinomian: I pray you see this soon
BerhaneSelassie: If when Jesus "bore" our diseases, He did not get sick himself with herpes, then why do you suppose when JEsus "bore" our sins, that he was imputed with sin as if He himself sinned?
BerhaneSelassie: your idea of "bore" is not what the NT says
Protestant Antinomian: Do you realize that the Word in Matt. is NOT even the Same word used in 1 Peter 2:24?....It has a Different Meaning
Protestant Antinomian: Did you even Study this Berhane.... or still trying to Cover the False doctrines of the RCC?
Protestant Antinomian: Jesus simple healed them with > HIS WORD
Protestant Antinomian: YOUR SINS He Bore with > HIS BODY ON THE CROSS!
Protestant Antinomian: Hope that helps
Protestant Antinomian: TRUST JESUS....NOT RELIGION
Protestant Antinomian: JESUS PAID IT ALL FOR > YOU
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BerhaneSelassie: thats because the word bore is not even used in 1 Peter
Protestant Antinomian: The Definition is NOT THE SAME BERHANE
Protestant Antinomian: Look it up....Don't MAKE it UP
BerhaneSelassie: the word in 1 Peter 2:24 refers to an offering
Protestant Antinomian: Did you know that if you die NOT Believing in JESUS FULL PAYMENT for your sins, then the consequence will be ETERNAL DAMNATION APart from God in the Lake of Fire?
Protestant Antinomian: HE IS THE OFFERING as a LAMB Without Blemish who DIED & SHED HIS SINLESS BLOOD for the SINS of the WHOLE WORLD!
BerhaneSelassie: Here are all the verses that use the word for "bore" in the KJV...its ANENEGKAS
BerhaneSelassie: AV Lk 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
AV Lk 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
AV Hb 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
AV Hb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
AV Hb 13:15 By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of [our] lips giving thanks to his name.
AV Ja 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
AV 1Pt 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
AV 1Pt 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
BerhaneSelassie: 1 Peter 2:5 is especially important since its the same author and roughly the same text
BerhaneSelassie: the word there is translated "offer up" there, not "bore"
Protestant Antinomian: I showed you the Definition..... Why do you want to change it?
BerhaneSelassie: the word exactly there is anenegkai
BerhaneSelassie: its the same root
Protestant Antinomian: Why do you want to chage the Meaning ?
Protestant Antinomian: lol
Protestant Antinomian: don't be that way Berhane....accept the TRUTH
Protestant Antinomian: The TRUTH is still the TRUTH whether you Believe it or not
Protestant Antinomian: you cannot fool God
Protestant Antinomian: You don't fool me and you are only fooling yourself
BerhaneSelassie: here is your beloved strongs on it G399 anaphero an-af-er'-o
from G303 and G5342;
to take up (literally or figuratively).
Protestant Antinomian: your religion is false and cannot Help you
BerhaneSelassie: Thayer
1) to carry or bring up, to lead up
1a) men to a higher place
2) to put upon the altar, to bring to the altar, to offer
3) to lift up one's self, to take upon one's self
3a) to place on one's self anything as a load to be carried
3b) to sustain, i.e. their punishment
Part of Speech: verb
Citing in TDNT: 9:60, 1252
Protestant Antinomian: Hebrews 9:12 “Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in ONCE into the holy place, HAVING OBTAINED ETERNAL REDEMPTION for us.”
BerhaneSelassie: you picked ONE of the dozen of the "meanings"
Protestant Antinomian: SUSTAINED MY PUNISHMENT!
Protestant Antinomian: CONTEXT Berhane....CONTEXT
Protestant Antinomian: You always \vere from that
BerhaneSelassie: View this entry in a new window / back to top
ἀναφέρω
I. to bring or carry up, Od., etc.; ἀν. τινὰ εἰς Ὄλυμπον Xen.:— to carry up the country, esp. into Central Asia, Hdt.:—Mid. to carry up to a place of safety, take with one, id=Xen.
2. to bring up, pour forth, tears, Aesch.:—Mid., ἀνενείκασθαι, absol. to fetch up a deep-drawn breath, heave a deep sigh, Il., Hdt.:—c. acc. rei, to utter, ἀνενείκατο φωνάν, μῦθον Theocr.
3. to uphold, take upon one, ἄχθος Aesch.; κινδύνους Thuc.
4. to offer, contribute, εἰς τὸ κοινόν Dem.:— to offer in sacrifice, NTest.
5. intr. to lead up, of a road, Xen.
II. to bring or carry back, Eur., etc.; ἀν. τὰς κώπας to recover the oars, at the end of the stroke, Thuc.
2. to bring back tidings, report, Hdt., etc.
3. to bring back from exile, Thuc.
4. to carry back, trace up one's family to an ancestor, Plat.
5. to refer a matter to another, Hdt., etc.: to ascribe, Eur., etc.:—without acc., ἀν. εἴς τινα to appeal to another, make reference to him, Hdt., Plat.:—of things, ἀν. εἴς τι to have reference to a thing, Plat.
6. to bring back, restore, recover, Thuc.:—Pass. to recover oneself, come to oneself, Hdt.:—so also intr. in Act. to come to oneself, recover, id=Plat., etc.
7. to return, yield, as revenue, Xen.
8. to recall a likeness, Plut.
BerhaneSelassie: thayers is not a compentent lexicon either
Protestant Antinomian: Berhane.... What does this verse say to you?
Protestant Antinomian: Hebrews 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
BerhaneSelassie: Liddle scotts is far better, and t doesnt seem to support that
BerhaneSelassie: It means He died for our sins once
Protestant Antinomian: Berhane..... lol.....Why do you keep trying to Change Gods word?
Protestant Antinomian: How many sins?
Protestant Antinomian: Not just adams sin
Protestant Antinomian: YOUR SINS
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BerhaneSelassie: i agree
Protestant Antinomian: Notice what kind of REDEMPTION JESUS OBTAIMED FOR ME>>> HAVING OBTAINED > ETERNAL REDEMPTION< for us
BerhaneSelassie: so?
Protestant Antinomian: SO IT IS ALL PAID FOR IN FULL > ONVE & FOR ALL
Protestant Antinomian: He PAD FOR YOUR SINS
Protestant Antinomian: NOT Just Adams sin
Protestant Antinomian: ALL YOUR SINS Plural!
Protestant Antinomian: Every single sin you would ever commit
Protestant Antinomian: 1 John 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to TAKE AWAY OUR SINS; and in him is no sin.
Protestant Antinomian: I pray you will come to TRUST JESUS TOOK AWAY YOUR SINS BY HIMSELF ON THE CROSS!
Protestant Antinomian: Bye
BerhaneSelassie: He took them away, as if He picked them up and carried them away---not as if He took them and kept them for Himself
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